Date of birth | 30 June 1923 |
Place of birth | Southampton |
Nationality | English |
Position | Full back |
England International.
Team | Joined | Left | Loan / Trialist |
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Fatfield Colliery | 01 Sep 1940 | ||
Southampton | 01 Sep 1940 |
Season | Team | Competition | Apps | Subs | Goals | Y | R |
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1945-46 | Southampton | FA Cup | 2 | ||||
1946-47 | Southampton | FA Cup | 1 | ||||
1946-47 | Southampton | League Division Two | 19 | 1 |
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1947-48 | Southampton | FA Cup | 1 | ||||
1947-48 | Southampton | League Division Two | 9 | 3 |
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1948-49 | Football League | Inter League | 1 | ||||
1948-49 | Southampton | League Division Two | 20 | 3 |
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1949-50 | Southampton | League Division Two | 25 | ||||
1950-51 | Southampton | FA Cup | 2 | ||||
1950-51 | Southampton | League Division Two | 34 | 2 |
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1951-52 | Southampton | FA Cup | 1 | ||||
1951-52 | Southampton | League Division Two | 39 | ||||
1952-53 | Southampton | FA Cup | 5 | ||||
1952-53 | Southampton | League Division Two | 35 | 1 |
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1953-54 | Southampton | Division Three (South) | 18 | ||||
1954-55 | Southampton | Division Three (South) | 17 | ||||
1955-56 | Southampton | Division Three (South) | 11 |
Please note: Career stats are based on performances in the Premier and Football Leagues and (in most cases all) internationals.
Date | Match | Result | Competition | Round | |
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26 Jan 1946 | Southampton v Queens Park Rangers | L | 0-1 | FA Cup | 4th round |
30 Jan 1946 | Queens Park Rangers v Southampton | L | 4-3 | FA Cup | 4th round |
04 Sep 1946 | Southampton v Swansea Town | W | 4-0 | League Division Two | |
07 Sep 1946 | Southampton v Bury | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
09 Sep 1946 | Tottenham Hotspur v Southampton | L | 2-1 | League Division Two | |
14 Sep 1946 | Southampton v Nottingham Forest | W | 5-2 | League Division Two | |
21 Sep 1946 | Coventry City v Southampton | L | 2-0 | League Division Two | |
28 Sep 1946 | Southampton v Birmingham City | W | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
03 Oct 1946 | Swansea Town v Southampton | L | 4-2 | League Division Two | |
05 Oct 1946 | West Bromwich Albion v Southampton | L | 2-0 | League Division Two | |
12 Oct 1946 | Southampton v Newcastle United | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
19 Oct 1946 | Luton Town v Southampton | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
24 Oct 1946 | Newport County v Southampton | W | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
09 Nov 1946 | Southampton v Chesterfield | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
16 Nov 1946 | Millwall v Southampton | L | 3-1 | League Division Two | |
23 Nov 1946 | Southampton v Bradford Park Avenue | W | 3-2 | League Division Two | |
30 Nov 1946 | Manchester City v Southampton | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
07 Dec 1946 | Southampton v West Ham United | W | 4-2 | League Division Two | |
14 Dec 1946 | Sheffield Wednesday v Southampton | L | 3-0 | League Division Two | |
25 Dec 1946 | Barnsley v Southampton | D | 4-4 | League Division Two | |
11 Jan 1947 | Southampton v Bury | W | 5-1 | FA Cup | 3rd round |
18 Jan 1947 | Nottingham Forest v Southampton | L | 6-0 | League Division Two | |
29 Nov 1947 | Southampton v Luton Town | W | 3-1 | League Division Two | |
06 Dec 1947 | Brentford v Southampton | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
13 Dec 1947 | Southampton v Leicester City | W | 3-1 | League Division Two | |
20 Dec 1947 | Southampton v Doncaster Rovers | W | 6-1 | League Division Two | |
26 Dec 1947 | Bradford Park Avenue v Southampton | W | 1-3 | League Division Two | |
27 Dec 1947 | Southampton v Bradford Park Avenue | L | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
03 Jan 1948 | Leeds United v Southampton | D | 0-0 | League Division Two | |
10 Jan 1948 | Southampton v Sunderland | W | 1-0 | FA Cup | 3rd round |
27 Mar 1948 | Southampton v West Bromwich Albion | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
29 Mar 1948 | Nottingham Forest v Southampton | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
15 Sep 1948 | Southampton v Fulham | W | 3-0 | League Division Two | |
18 Sep 1948 | Southampton v Bradford Park Avenue | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
04 Dec 1948 | Southampton v Chesterfield | W | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
22 Jan 1949 | Southampton v Luton Town | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
29 Jan 1949 | Queens Park Rangers v Southampton | W | 1-3 | League Division Two | |
12 Feb 1949 | Southampton v Lincoln City | W | 4-0 | League Division Two | |
19 Feb 1949 | Southampton v Sheffield Wednesday | W | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
26 Feb 1949 | Southampton v Barnsley | W | 3-0 | League Division Two | |
05 Mar 1949 | Coventry City v Southampton | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
12 Mar 1949 | Southampton v Leeds United | W | 2-1 | League Division Two | |
19 Mar 1949 | Leicester City v Southampton | W | 1-3 | League Division Two | |
26 Mar 1949 | Southampton v Brentford | W | 2-0 | League Division Two | |
02 Apr 1949 | Tottenham Hotspur v Southampton | W | 0-1 | League Division Two | |
04 Apr 1949 | Bradford Park Avenue v Southampton | L | 2-0 | League Division Two | |
09 Apr 1949 | Southampton v West Ham United | L | 0-1 | League Division Two | |
15 Apr 1949 | Grimsby Town v Southampton | W | 0-1 | League Division Two | |
16 Apr 1949 | Bury v Southampton | L | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
18 Apr 1949 | Southampton v Grimsby Town | D | 0-0 | League Division Two | |
23 Apr 1949 | Southampton v West Bromwich Albion | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
30 Apr 1949 | Chesterfield v Southampton | L | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
20 Aug 1949 | Southampton v Grimsby Town | L | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
24 Aug 1949 | Barnsley v Southampton | L | 2-1 | League Division Two | |
17 Sep 1949 | Southampton v Leeds United | W | 2-1 | League Division Two | |
24 Sep 1949 | Bury v Southampton | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
01 Oct 1949 | Coventry City v Southampton | W | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
08 Oct 1949 | Southampton v Tottenham Hotspur | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
22 Oct 1949 | Southampton v Blackburn Rovers | W | 3-1 | League Division Two | |
29 Oct 1949 | Brentford v Southampton | W | 0-1 | League Division Two | |
05 Nov 1949 | Southampton v Hull City | W | 5-0 | League Division Two | |
12 Nov 1949 | Sheffield Wednesday v Southampton | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
26 Nov 1949 | Chesterfield v Southampton | D | 0-0 | League Division Two | |
21 Jan 1950 | Leeds United v Southampton | L | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
04 Feb 1950 | Southampton v Bury | W | 4-1 | League Division Two | |
11 Feb 1950 | Sheffield United v Southampton | W | 0-1 | League Division Two | |
18 Feb 1950 | Southampton v Coventry City | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
25 Feb 1950 | Tottenham Hotspur v Southampton | L | 4-0 | League Division Two | |
04 Mar 1950 | Southampton v Cardiff City | W | 3-1 | League Division Two | |
11 Mar 1950 | Blackburn Rovers v Southampton | D | 0-0 | League Division Two | |
25 Mar 1950 | Hull City v Southampton | W | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
01 Apr 1950 | Southampton v Chesterfield | W | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
08 Apr 1950 | Bradford Park Avenue v Southampton | D | 0-0 | League Division Two | |
15 Apr 1950 | Southampton v Sheffield Wednesday | W | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
17 Apr 1950 | Cardiff City v Southampton | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
22 Apr 1950 | Plymouth Argyle v Southampton | D | 0-0 | League Division Two | |
06 May 1950 | Southampton v West Ham United | W | 3-2 | League Division Two | |
19 Aug 1950 | Barnsley v Southampton | W | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
23 Aug 1950 | Southampton v Doncaster Rovers | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
26 Aug 1950 | Southampton v Sheffield United | W | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
30 Aug 1950 | Doncaster Rovers v Southampton | D | 0-0 | League Division Two | |
02 Sep 1950 | Luton Town v Southampton | W | 0-1 | League Division Two | |
11 Sep 1950 | Blackburn Rovers v Southampton | L | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
30 Sep 1950 | Hull City v Southampton | L | 4-1 | League Division Two | |
07 Oct 1950 | Southampton v Birmingham City | L | 0-2 | League Division Two | |
14 Oct 1950 | Cardiff City v Southampton | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
21 Oct 1950 | Southampton v Notts County | W | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
28 Oct 1950 | Grimsby Town v Southampton | L | 4-2 | League Division Two | |
04 Nov 1950 | Southampton v Bury | W | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
11 Nov 1950 | Preston North End v Southampton | L | 3-2 | League Division Two | |
18 Nov 1950 | Southampton v Coventry City | W | 5-4 | League Division Two | |
25 Nov 1950 | Manchester City v Southampton | W | 2-3 | League Division Two | |
02 Dec 1950 | Southampton v Leicester City | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
09 Dec 1950 | Chesterfield v Southampton | W | 2-3 | League Division Two | |
16 Dec 1950 | Southampton v Barnsley | W | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
23 Dec 1950 | Sheffield United v Southampton | W | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
26 Dec 1950 | Brentford v Southampton | L | 4-0 | League Division Two | |
06 Jan 1951 | Notts County v Southampton | W | 3-4 | FA Cup | 3rd round |
13 Jan 1951 | Leeds United v Southampton | L | 5-3 | League Division Two | |
20 Jan 1951 | Southampton v West Ham United | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
27 Jan 1951 | Sunderland v Southampton | L | 2-0 | FA Cup | 4th round |
03 Feb 1951 | Swansea Town v Southampton | L | 2-1 | League Division Two | |
17 Feb 1951 | Southampton v Hull City | L | 2-3 | League Division Two | |
28 Feb 1951 | Birmingham City v Southampton | L | 2-1 | League Division Two | |
10 Mar 1951 | Notts County v Southampton | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
17 Mar 1951 | Southampton v Grimsby Town | W | 5-1 | League Division Two | |
23 Mar 1951 | Queens Park Rangers v Southampton | L | 2-0 | League Division Two | |
31 Mar 1951 | Southampton v Preston North End | D | 3-3 | League Division Two | |
07 Apr 1951 | Coventry City v Southampton | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
14 Apr 1951 | Southampton v Manchester City | W | 2-1 | League Division Two | |
21 Apr 1951 | Leicester City v Southampton | L | 3-1 | League Division Two | |
28 Apr 1951 | Southampton v Chesterfield | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
05 May 1951 | Southampton v Brentford | W | 2-1 | League Division Two | |
18 Aug 1951 | Southampton v Everton | W | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
22 Aug 1951 | Nottingham Forest v Southampton | L | 3-0 | League Division Two | |
25 Aug 1951 | Barnsley v Southampton | L | 3-1 | League Division Two | |
29 Aug 1951 | Southampton v Nottingham Forest | W | 5-2 | League Division Two | |
01 Sep 1951 | Sheffield Wednesday v Southampton | L | 3-1 | League Division Two | |
03 Sep 1951 | Leicester City v Southampton | L | 3-0 | League Division Two | |
08 Sep 1951 | Southampton v Leeds United | D | 0-0 | League Division Two | |
12 Sep 1951 | Southampton v Doncaster Rovers | W | 2-0 | League Division Two | |
15 Sep 1951 | Rotherham United v Southampton | L | 4-1 | League Division Two | |
22 Sep 1951 | Southampton v Cardiff City | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
29 Sep 1951 | Birmingham City v Southampton | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
06 Oct 1951 | Southampton v Hull City | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
13 Oct 1951 | Blackburn Rovers v Southampton | W | 0-1 | League Division Two | |
27 Oct 1951 | Notts County v Southampton | W | 3-4 | League Division Two | |
03 Nov 1951 | Southampton v Luton Town | L | 2-3 | League Division Two | |
10 Nov 1951 | Bury v Southampton | L | 8-2 | League Division Two | |
17 Nov 1951 | Southampton v Swansea Town | W | 3-2 | League Division Two | |
24 Nov 1951 | Coventry City v Southampton | L | 3-1 | League Division Two | |
01 Dec 1951 | Southampton v West Ham United | L | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
08 Dec 1951 | Sheffield United v Southampton | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
15 Dec 1951 | Everton v Southampton | L | 3-0 | League Division Two | |
22 Dec 1951 | Southampton v Barnsley | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
25 Dec 1951 | Brentford v Southampton | W | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
26 Dec 1951 | Southampton v Brentford | W | 2-1 | League Division Two | |
29 Dec 1951 | Southampton v Sheffield Wednesday | L | 1-4 | League Division Two | |
05 Jan 1952 | Leeds United v Southampton | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
12 Jan 1952 | Southend United v Southampton | L | 3-0 | FA Cup | 3rd round |
09 Feb 1952 | Southampton v Birmingham City | W | 2-0 | League Division Two | |
16 Feb 1952 | Hull City v Southampton | D | 0-0 | League Division Two | |
23 Feb 1952 | Southampton v Leicester City | W | 2-0 | League Division Two | |
01 Mar 1952 | Southampton v Blackburn Rovers | W | 2-1 | League Division Two | |
08 Mar 1952 | Queens Park Rangers v Southampton | L | 2-1 | League Division Two | |
15 Mar 1952 | Southampton v Notts County | W | 4-0 | League Division Two | |
22 Mar 1952 | Luton Town v Southampton | L | 2-1 | League Division Two | |
29 Mar 1952 | Southampton v Bury | W | 4-2 | League Division Two | |
05 Apr 1952 | Swansea Town v Southampton | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
12 Apr 1952 | Southampton v Coventry City | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
14 Apr 1952 | Doncaster Rovers v Southampton | W | 0-1 | League Division Two | |
19 Apr 1952 | West Ham United v Southampton | L | 4-0 | League Division Two | |
26 Apr 1952 | Southampton v Sheffield United | L | 0-1 | League Division Two | |
23 Aug 1952 | West Ham United v Southampton | L | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
27 Aug 1952 | Southampton v Plymouth Argyle | L | 2-3 | League Division Two | |
30 Aug 1952 | Southampton v Leicester City | W | 5-2 | League Division Two | |
03 Sep 1952 | Plymouth Argyle v Southampton | L | 3-1 | League Division Two | |
06 Sep 1952 | Notts County v Southampton | W | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
10 Sep 1952 | Southampton v Rotherham United | L | 2-3 | League Division Two | |
13 Sep 1952 | Southampton v Everton | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
15 Sep 1952 | Rotherham United v Southampton | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
20 Sep 1952 | Southampton v Bury | L | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
24 Sep 1952 | Leeds United v Southampton | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
27 Sep 1952 | Birmingham City v Southampton | L | 2-0 | League Division Two | |
04 Oct 1952 | Southampton v Luton Town | L | 1-3 | League Division Two | |
11 Oct 1952 | Brentford v Southampton | L | 3-0 | League Division Two | |
22 Nov 1952 | Lincoln City v Southampton | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
29 Nov 1952 | Southampton v Hull City | W | 5-1 | League Division Two | |
06 Dec 1952 | Blackburn Rovers v Southampton | L | 3-0 | League Division Two | |
13 Dec 1952 | Southampton v Nottingham Forest | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
20 Dec 1952 | Southampton v West Ham United | L | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
26 Dec 1952 | Fulham v Southampton | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
27 Dec 1952 | Southampton v Fulham | W | 5-3 | League Division Two | |
03 Jan 1953 | Leicester City v Southampton | L | 4-1 | League Division Two | |
10 Jan 1953 | Lincoln City v Southampton | D | 1-1 | FA Cup | 3rd round |
14 Jan 1953 | Southampton v Lincoln City | W | 2-1 | FA Cup | 3rd round replay |
31 Jan 1953 | Shrewsbury Town v Southampton | W | 1-4 | FA Cup | 4th round |
07 Feb 1953 | Bury v Southampton | D | 0-0 | League Division Two | |
14 Feb 1953 | Blackpool v Southampton | D | 1-1 | FA Cup | 5th round |
18 Feb 1953 | Southampton v Blackpool | L | 1-2 | FA Cup | 5th round replay |
21 Feb 1953 | Luton Town v Southampton | W | 1-2 | League Division Two | |
28 Feb 1953 | Southampton v Brentford | L | 0-2 | League Division Two | |
07 Mar 1953 | Doncaster Rovers v Southampton | L | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
14 Mar 1953 | Southampton v Swansea Town | L | 1-4 | League Division Two | |
21 Mar 1953 | Huddersfield Town v Southampton | L | 5-0 | League Division Two | |
28 Mar 1953 | Southampton v Sheffield United | D | 4-4 | League Division Two | |
04 Apr 1953 | Barnsley v Southampton | W | 0-1 | League Division Two | |
06 Apr 1953 | Southampton v Leeds United | D | 2-2 | League Division Two | |
11 Apr 1953 | Southampton v Lincoln City | W | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
15 Apr 1953 | Southampton v Birmingham City | D | 1-1 | League Division Two | |
18 Apr 1953 | Hull City v Southampton | L | 1-0 | League Division Two | |
25 Apr 1953 | Southampton v Blackburn Rovers | W | 6-1 | League Division Two | |
29 Apr 1953 | Nottingham Forest v Southampton | W | 2-3 | League Division Two | |
19 Aug 1953 | Southampton v Watford | W | 2-0 | Division Three (South) | |
22 Aug 1953 | Crystal Palace v Southampton | L | 4-3 | Division Three (South) | |
24 Aug 1953 | Newport County v Southampton | W | 0-4 | Division Three (South) | |
29 Aug 1953 | Southampton v Bristol City | W | 4-2 | Division Three (South) | |
02 Sep 1953 | Southampton v Newport County | W | 4-0 | Division Three (South) | |
05 Sep 1953 | Aldershot v Southampton | D | 1-1 | Division Three (South) | |
07 Sep 1953 | Queens Park Rangers v Southampton | W | 0-1 | Division Three (South) | |
12 Sep 1953 | Southampton v Swindon Town | W | 3-1 | Division Three (South) | |
16 Sep 1953 | Southampton v Queens Park Rangers | W | 3-1 | Division Three (South) | |
19 Sep 1953 | Walsall v Southampton | L | 1-0 | Division Three (South) | |
23 Sep 1953 | Southampton v Colchester United | W | 2-1 | Division Three (South) | |
01 Oct 1953 | Colchester United v Southampton | W | 0-1 | Division Three (South) | |
03 Oct 1953 | Exeter City v Southampton | L | 4-0 | Division Three (South) | |
10 Oct 1953 | Southampton v Gillingham | W | 1-0 | Division Three (South) | |
17 Oct 1953 | Northampton Town v Southampton | L | 3-0 | Division Three (South) | |
24 Oct 1953 | Southampton v Torquay United | D | 2-2 | Division Three (South) | |
07 Nov 1953 | Southampton v Brighton and Hove Albion | W | 1-0 | Division Three (South) | |
24 Apr 1954 | Torquay United v Southampton | D | 1-1 | Division Three (South) | |
29 Sep 1954 | Southampton v Millwall | W | 3-0 | Division Three (South) | |
02 Oct 1954 | Southampton v Reading | W | 3-1 | Division Three (South) | |
09 Oct 1954 | Queens Park Rangers v Southampton | D | 2-2 | Division Three (South) | |
19 Feb 1955 | Reading v Southampton | W | 0-1 | Division Three (South) | |
26 Feb 1955 | Southampton v Queens Park Rangers | D | 2-2 | Division Three (South) | |
05 Mar 1955 | Newport County v Southampton | W | 0-1 | Division Three (South) | |
12 Mar 1955 | Southampton v Exeter City | W | 3-0 | Division Three (South) | |
19 Mar 1955 | Northampton Town v Southampton | L | 2-1 | Division Three (South) | |
02 Apr 1955 | Southend United v Southampton | W | 0-1 | Division Three (South) | |
08 Apr 1955 | Watford v Southampton | L | 2-1 | Division Three (South) | |
09 Apr 1955 | Southampton v Aldershot | D | 1-1 | Division Three (South) | |
11 Apr 1955 | Southampton v Watford | W | 2-0 | Division Three (South) | |
16 Apr 1955 | Swindon Town v Southampton | L | 1-0 | Division Three (South) | |
20 Apr 1955 | Bournemouth and Boscombe Athletic v Southampton | D | 1-1 | Division Three (South) | |
23 Apr 1955 | Southampton v Crystal Palace | D | 2-2 | Division Three (South) | |
27 Apr 1955 | Aldershot v Southampton | L | 2-0 | Division Three (South) | |
30 Apr 1955 | Colchester United v Southampton | W | 3-5 | Division Three (South) | |
20 Aug 1955 | Southampton v Swindon Town | W | 2-1 | Division Three (South) | |
24 Aug 1955 | Ipswich Town v Southampton | L | 4-2 | Division Three (South) | |
27 Aug 1955 | Queens Park Rangers v Southampton | L | 4-0 | Division Three (South) | |
31 Aug 1955 | Southampton v Ipswich Town | D | 2-2 | Division Three (South) | |
08 Sep 1955 | Newport County v Southampton | L | 1-0 | Division Three (South) | |
10 Sep 1955 | Aldershot v Southampton | L | 3-2 | Division Three (South) | |
14 Sep 1955 | Southampton v Newport County | D | 3-3 | Division Three (South) | |
17 Sep 1955 | Southampton v Crystal Palace | W | 3-1 | Division Three (South) | |
21 Sep 1955 | Southampton v Walsall | W | 4-1 | Division Three (South) | |
24 Sep 1955 | Brighton and Hove Albion v Southampton | L | 5-0 | Division Three (South) | |
07 Apr 1956 | Southampton v Leyton Orient | L | 1-2 | Division Three (South) |
Please note: Match history is complete for the Premier and Football Leagues and (in most cases all) internationals.
Season | Team | Competition | Apps | Subs | Goals | Y | R |
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1948-49 | England | A v B | 1 | ||||
1948-49 | England | International Friendly | 2 | ||||
1949-50 | England | FA Tour | 1 |
Please note: Career stats are based on performances in the Premier and Football Leagues and (in most cases all) internationals.
Date | Match | Result | Competition | Round | |
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15 May 1949 | Finland v England | W | 0-4 | A v B | |
18 May 1949 | Norway v England | W | 1-4 | International Friendly | |
22 May 1949 | France v England | W | 1-3 | International Friendly | |
19 Jun 1950 | USA v England | W | 0-1 | FA Tour |
Please note: Match history is complete for the Premier and Football Leagues and (in most cases all) internationals.